Comments on: Failure rates of Roguelike Games http://www.roguetemple.com/2007/07/01/failure-rates-of-roguelike-games/ News, Reviews, Interviews and Information about Roguelikes Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:30:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Joshua Rodman http://www.roguetemple.com/2007/07/01/failure-rates-of-roguelike-games/#comment-245 Joshua Rodman Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:03:54 +0000 http://www.roguetemple.com/2007/07/01/failure-rates-of-roguelike-games/#comment-245 I don't think the ascii is the largest stumbling block, personally. People get interested in games with all sorts of quirky looks. The complexity of the interface and the cost of just getting started is, I think, a major deterrant, but also part of the game style that core devotees adore. There's plenty of room for getting away from that interface complexity, but there has to be enough to the game to keep players coming back. I've played plenty of 'dumbed down' roguelikes that are just no fun at all. Without the complexity they typically become simply unfair or cakewalks. If I had to point in a particular direction for a successful formula, I'd point to MMOs, which have a large overlap in game style, but a huge disparity in popularity. They're easy to get into, they do not punish failure overmuch, and yet they provide a very large amount of content to explore. I don’t think the ascii is the largest stumbling block, personally. People get interested in games with all sorts of quirky looks. The complexity of the interface and the cost of just getting started is, I think, a major deterrant, but also part of the game style that core devotees adore. There’s plenty of room for getting away from that interface complexity, but there has to be enough to the game to keep players coming back.

I’ve played plenty of ‘dumbed down’ roguelikes that are just no fun at all. Without the complexity they typically become simply unfair or cakewalks. If I had to point in a particular direction for a successful formula, I’d point to MMOs, which have a large overlap in game style, but a huge disparity in popularity. They’re easy to get into, they do not punish failure overmuch, and yet they provide a very large amount of content to explore.

]]> By: dnm http://www.roguetemple.com/2007/07/01/failure-rates-of-roguelike-games/#comment-171 dnm Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:10:49 +0000 http://www.roguetemple.com/2007/07/01/failure-rates-of-roguelike-games/#comment-171 Lose the ASCII and tricky interfaces, lots of people would love to play but can't invest the time to figure things like that out or to learn what monster é is supposed to represent. Lose the ASCII and tricky interfaces, lots of people would love to play but can’t invest the time to figure things like that out or to learn what monster é is supposed to represent.

]]> By: Derek http://www.roguetemple.com/2007/07/01/failure-rates-of-roguelike-games/#comment-125 Derek Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:25:41 +0000 http://www.roguetemple.com/2007/07/01/failure-rates-of-roguelike-games/#comment-125 I feel like Roguelike developers and their fans need to get out of this mindset that RL's have to be ASCII, that they have to have a million commands, that they have to be niche... there's so much room for expanding the genre, but the community is a bit too self-involved to get anyone else interested. Instead of seeing people make RL's out of every possible theme or try to outgun each other in terms of complexity, why not focus on making them more exciting, more interesting, and more user-friendly? I feel like Roguelike developers and their fans need to get out of this mindset that RL’s have to be ASCII, that they have to have a million commands, that they have to be niche… there’s so much room for expanding the genre, but the community is a bit too self-involved to get anyone else interested.

Instead of seeing people make RL’s out of every possible theme or try to outgun each other in terms of complexity, why not focus on making them more exciting, more interesting, and more user-friendly?

]]> By: Corremn http://www.roguetemple.com/2007/07/01/failure-rates-of-roguelike-games/#comment-122 Corremn Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:35:06 +0000 http://www.roguetemple.com/2007/07/01/failure-rates-of-roguelike-games/#comment-122 You have to have something to promote is the first problem, most RL developers dont have much or cant get anyone interested in their game. RL development is harder than anyone thinks. Do RLs have a future? I very much doubt it. Apart from Slash who else promotes these games? We all know they are great but we are a dwindling community no matter the stats, which are based on development games not completed ones, anyone can start a RL, not many can complete one. You have to have something to promote is the first problem, most RL developers dont have much or cant get anyone interested in their game. RL development is harder than anyone thinks. Do RLs have a future? I very much doubt it. Apart from Slash who else promotes these games? We all know they are great but we are a dwindling community no matter the stats, which are based on development games not completed ones, anyone can start a RL, not many can complete one.

]]> By: Slash http://www.roguetemple.com/2007/07/01/failure-rates-of-roguelike-games/#comment-121 Slash Tue, 03 Jul 2007 03:46:44 +0000 http://www.roguetemple.com/2007/07/01/failure-rates-of-roguelike-games/#comment-121 Andrew, that's a very good point. We developers do our best to promote the games, but we DO need more players spreading the word around. There is a place for roguelikes in modern world. Malkyus, your point has been made many times in roguelike community, and I think most developers currently avoid being cliche on their genres. You may want to take a look at my games at http://www.santiagoz.com/web Andrew, that’s a very good point.

We developers do our best to promote the games, but we DO need more players spreading the word around. There is a place for roguelikes in modern world.

Malkyus, your point has been made many times in roguelike community, and I think most developers currently avoid being cliche on their genres. You may want to take a look at my games at http://www.santiagoz.com/web

]]> By: soilworker http://www.roguetemple.com/2007/07/01/failure-rates-of-roguelike-games/#comment-120 soilworker Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:40:12 +0000 http://www.roguetemple.com/2007/07/01/failure-rates-of-roguelike-games/#comment-120 Malkyus, that sounds interesting. Where can we follow the development of your game? Do you have a blog or website? I've been playing a lot of Tower lately which uses OpenGL for 3D rendering. I like that. It also adds robots and animatronics into a fantasy world which works quite well. But if you're looking for variety go for Dwarf Fortress. I think this is putting a new meaning not only to the roguelike genre but also to the whole gaming world. Malkyus, that sounds interesting. Where can we follow the development of your game? Do you have a blog or website? I’ve been playing a lot of Tower lately which uses OpenGL for 3D rendering. I like that. It also adds robots and animatronics into a fantasy world which works quite well.

But if you’re looking for variety go for Dwarf Fortress. I think this is putting a new meaning not only to the roguelike genre but also to the whole gaming world.

]]> By: Malkyus http://www.roguetemple.com/2007/07/01/failure-rates-of-roguelike-games/#comment-119 Malkyus Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:11:15 +0000 http://www.roguetemple.com/2007/07/01/failure-rates-of-roguelike-games/#comment-119 Well... i think that roguelikes are in need of more variety to attract players again, i'm a roguelike player, but i've got enough of lord of the rings type roguelike, maybe that's why there's fewer people playing, and remember that not all players post on forums and newsgroups, i, myself, never posted... i guess more variety in roguelikes would attract players again... i'm making my first roguelike, it's a survival horror roguelike like resident evil and silent hill, it has the style of movimentation from this games and the crazy cameras too, it's 3d with ascii characters, i'm curious to see what the community will think of it. Well… i think that roguelikes are in need of more variety to attract players again, i’m a roguelike player, but i’ve got enough of lord of the rings type roguelike, maybe that’s why there’s fewer people playing, and remember that not all players post on forums and newsgroups, i, myself, never posted… i guess more variety in roguelikes would attract players again… i’m making my first roguelike, it’s a survival horror roguelike like resident evil and silent hill, it has the style of movimentation from this games and the crazy cameras too, it’s 3d with ascii characters, i’m curious to see what the community will think of it.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.roguetemple.com/2007/07/01/failure-rates-of-roguelike-games/#comment-117 Andrew Mon, 02 Jul 2007 05:31:19 +0000 http://www.roguetemple.com/2007/07/01/failure-rates-of-roguelike-games/#comment-117 If the roguelike genre is 'more alive than ever', why is community traffic in forums and so on so dismally slow? It seems like the activity level of rl developers is disproportionate to the number of people actually who actually still play them. If the roguelike genre is ‘more alive than ever’, why is community traffic in forums and so on so dismally slow?

It seems like the activity level of rl developers is disproportionate to the number of people actually who actually still play them.

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